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cronel · 03-11-2003, 10:25 AM

Kmc is a mud client for the K Desktop Environment that aims to be easy to use but powerful. Features so far include:

+ Mud and character profiles
+ Autologin, reconnection.
+ Good integration with KDE
+ Scripting, via an embedded Perl interpreter. User-defined commands, triggers, timers, etc.
+ Logging with and without color.
+ Input history with tab expansion.
+ Full ANSI support.
+ Good customization of appearance
+ Mud toolbar.
+ Split and full screen mode.
+ Numpad walking, via a Perl script.
+ Repeat command, multiline

If you are interested I invite you to download the latest version from:

If you try it out, please leave your opinions at the boards. The program is distributed under the GPL license.

--cronel

Samson · 03-11-2003, 02:05 PM

At a glance, looks good.

2 standard questions I've asked of late for various clients:

1. Does your ANSI support include blinking text, preferably in a form that can be toggled for those who don't like it?

2. Terminal ID - does your client identify itself to a request for your terminal ID? Your settings screen seems to hint that it might. Several places like to keep track of this for statistical purposes.

cronel · 03-11-2003, 03:23 PM

Samson · 03-11-2003, 03:35 PM

Ogma · 03-11-2003, 03:42 PM

Perhaps if a number of clients fail your (rather trivial) test for completeness, there are technical reasons for it? Have you ever tried to implement blinking text under KDE/QT or Gnome/GTK+?

cronel · 03-11-2003, 04:12 PM

Blinking in text mode is trivial because it's just a bit in the video buffer. But graphic modes (to my knowledge) have no such feature, so it must be done in software.

So it is simply too much trouble to implement for such little gain, especially when there are other options to make the text stand out available in video modes.

It will stay this way for the foreseeable future, since I have other priorities, sorry. However, I'm open to enlightenment, if you want to elaborate on the importance of this.

Orion Elder · 03-11-2003, 04:49 PM

Ogma · 03-11-2003, 05:13 PM

Cute little blurb about KMC on mudplanet, Orion Elder. One would think the fact that it allows you to do scripts in perl might be a more important detail to put in there rather than it doesn't support blinking text. Then again, I suppose that goes against your agenda WRT kmuddy.

cronel · 03-11-2003, 05:17 PM

Thank you for adding me, but your entry is factually incorrect. It does have support for the blinking attribute; it just does not make it blink. Please change that. Thank you.

Orion Elder · 03-11-2003, 10:52 PM

It's MUD Planet, not mudplanet. Furthermore, I am not slighting ANY client by listing them. I am, in fact, giving them more publicity by listing them. I listed a feature that I know many people care about (on one side or the other... most people I know DISLIKE blinking text), hence I made not that it does note support blinking text.

Edit:
But, I'll add that it supports Perl scripts... but, to me, that is simply not a big deal.

... If the text doesn't blink, then it doesn't have blinking text support. It may handle the exception, but that doesn't mean it has blinking text support. Only that it handles the call for it.

Those are two very different situations... but, as per your request I have noted that it handles the call.

Samson · 03-12-2003, 11:07 AM

cronel · 03-12-2003, 02:29 PM

Good enough for me, thank you.

I didn't mean to split hairs, but merely wanted to avoid giving the impression that the client doesn't understand basic ANSI escapes. It understands them fine and shows blink as bold. Now, wether that is called "blinking support" or not, or to assess the vital importance of this feature, I leave up to you and other users.

Ogma · 03-12-2003, 02:51 PM

Personally, I find KMC to be a very powerful and stable mud client. The flexibility and extensibility of the perl scripting engine is better than I've seen in any other client.

I've also found Cronel to be quite responsive to suggestions and questions and have suggested several features that will probably be in the next release.

Also, the KMC project is OOS. If you want blinking text to actually blink instead of being translated to another the seven other options, write it and submit a patch!

Samson · 03-12-2003, 05:46 PM

Good, I'm glad you find KMC useful for you and that it does what you'd like. I'm even glad that Cronel listens to suggestions and is willing to implement them.

Once again, I'm not looking for a fight. You seem intent on trying to start one. Coudln't say why, but hey. That's how it's coming across. If that wasn't your intention, I apologize now.

Like many people, I'm a user. Not a programmer. I'm lucky to have been able to do what I've done with AFKMud. Writing and editing client code isn't something I'm interested in. So I'll simply use what I can find that supports the options I want. KMC doesn't do this for me, can't understand why you won't just accept this.

Seems to be the standard *nix response. "Don't like it, compile it and subit a patch!" Not all of us have time, are proficient with C++, or are willing to engage in such an effort. Count me among the first 2. For if I had the time, and was proficient with C++, I'd be willing to do so. So for now I have to settle on those who have done this for me already.

DariusCardren · 03-13-2003, 11:26 AM

Silly Question, dos it work w/ the version of KDE suplied w/ RH 8.0? Becuase Kmud dosen't ().

Samson · 03-13-2003, 12:21 PM

cronel · 03-13-2003, 03:34 PM

Yes, it works in KDE 3 as Samson mentioned; mind the warning in the download page, though.

For more questions I suggest using the .

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03-11-2003, 10:25 AM	#1
cronel New Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 17	Kmc is a mud client for the K Desktop Environment that aims to be easy to use but powerful. Features so far include: + Mud and character profiles + Autologin, reconnection. + Good integration with KDE + Scripting, via an embedded Perl interpreter. User-defined commands, triggers, timers, etc. + Logging with and without color. + Input history with tab expansion. + Full ANSI support. + Good customization of appearance + Mud toolbar. + Split and full screen mode. + Numpad walking, via a Perl script. + Repeat command, multiline If you are interested I invite you to download the latest version from: If you try it out, please leave your opinions at the boards. The program is distributed under the GPL license. --cronel

03-11-2003, 02:05 PM	#2
Samson Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: United Socialist States of America Home MUD: SmaugMuds.org Home MUD: Arthmoor MUD Hosting Posts: 249	At a glance, looks good. 2 standard questions I've asked of late for various clients: 1. Does your ANSI support include blinking text, preferably in a form that can be toggled for those who don't like it? 2. Terminal ID - does your client identify itself to a request for your terminal ID? Your settings screen seems to hint that it might. Several places like to keep track of this for statistical purposes.

03-11-2003, 03:23 PM	#3
cronel New Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 17

03-11-2003, 03:35 PM	#4
Samson Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: United Socialist States of America Home MUD: SmaugMuds.org Home MUD: Arthmoor MUD Hosting Posts: 249

03-11-2003, 03:42 PM	#5
Ogma Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Home MUD: DartMUD Posts: 86	Perhaps if a number of clients fail your (rather trivial) test for completeness, there are technical reasons for it? Have you ever tried to implement blinking text under KDE/QT or Gnome/GTK+?

03-11-2003, 04:12 PM	#6
cronel New Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 17	Blinking in text mode is trivial because it's just a bit in the video buffer. But graphic modes (to my knowledge) have no such feature, so it must be done in software. So it is simply too much trouble to implement for such little gain, especially when there are other options to make the text stand out available in video modes. It will stay this way for the foreseeable future, since I have other priorities, sorry. However, I'm open to enlightenment, if you want to elaborate on the importance of this.

03-11-2003, 04:49 PM	#7
Orion Elder Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 346

03-11-2003, 05:13 PM	#8
Ogma Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Home MUD: DartMUD Posts: 86	Cute little blurb about KMC on mudplanet, Orion Elder. One would think the fact that it allows you to do scripts in perl might be a more important detail to put in there rather than it doesn't support blinking text. Then again, I suppose that goes against your agenda WRT kmuddy.

03-11-2003, 05:17 PM	#9
cronel New Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 17	Thank you for adding me, but your entry is factually incorrect. It does have support for the blinking attribute; it just does not make it blink. Please change that. Thank you.

03-11-2003, 10:52 PM	#10
Orion Elder Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 346	It's MUD Planet, not mudplanet. Furthermore, I am not slighting ANY client by listing them. I am, in fact, giving them more publicity by listing them. I listed a feature that I know many people care about (on one side or the other... most people I know DISLIKE blinking text), hence I made not that it does note support blinking text. Edit: But, I'll add that it supports Perl scripts... but, to me, that is simply not a big deal. ... If the text doesn't blink, then it doesn't have blinking text support. It may handle the exception, but that doesn't mean it has blinking text support. Only that it handles the call for it. Those are two very different situations... but, as per your request I have noted that it handles the call.

03-12-2003, 11:07 AM	#11
Samson Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: United Socialist States of America Home MUD: SmaugMuds.org Home MUD: Arthmoor MUD Hosting Posts: 249

03-12-2003, 02:29 PM	#12
cronel New Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 17	Good enough for me, thank you. I didn't mean to split hairs, but merely wanted to avoid giving the impression that the client doesn't understand basic ANSI escapes. It understands them fine and shows blink as bold. Now, wether that is called "blinking support" or not, or to assess the vital importance of this feature, I leave up to you and other users.

03-12-2003, 02:51 PM	#13
Ogma Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Home MUD: DartMUD Posts: 86	Personally, I find KMC to be a very powerful and stable mud client. The flexibility and extensibility of the perl scripting engine is better than I've seen in any other client. I've also found Cronel to be quite responsive to suggestions and questions and have suggested several features that will probably be in the next release. Also, the KMC project is OOS. If you want blinking text to actually blink instead of being translated to another the seven other options, write it and submit a patch!

03-12-2003, 05:46 PM	#14
Samson Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: United Socialist States of America Home MUD: SmaugMuds.org Home MUD: Arthmoor MUD Hosting Posts: 249	Good, I'm glad you find KMC useful for you and that it does what you'd like. I'm even glad that Cronel listens to suggestions and is willing to implement them. Once again, I'm not looking for a fight. You seem intent on trying to start one. Coudln't say why, but hey. That's how it's coming across. If that wasn't your intention, I apologize now. Like many people, I'm a user. Not a programmer. I'm lucky to have been able to do what I've done with AFKMud. Writing and editing client code isn't something I'm interested in. So I'll simply use what I can find that supports the options I want. KMC doesn't do this for me, can't understand why you won't just accept this. Seems to be the standard *nix response. "Don't like it, compile it and subit a patch!" Not all of us have time, are proficient with C++, or are willing to engage in such an effort. Count me among the first 2. For if I had the time, and was proficient with C++, I'd be willing to do so. So for now I have to settle on those who have done this for me already.

03-13-2003, 11:26 AM	#15
DariusCardren New Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 19	Silly Question, dos it work w/ the version of KDE suplied w/ RH 8.0? Becuase Kmud dosen't ().

03-13-2003, 12:21 PM	#16
Samson Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: United Socialist States of America Home MUD: SmaugMuds.org Home MUD: Arthmoor MUD Hosting Posts: 249

03-13-2003, 03:34 PM	#17
cronel New Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 17	Yes, it works in KDE 3 as Samson mentioned; mind the warning in the download page, though. For more questions I suggest using the .

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