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Old 08-19-2004, 11:08 PM   #1
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Ok this was posted on that extremely long board the top 20 one. But this is serious question.

How about the pay to play muds, actually stop allowing votes for one voting period (15 days). Only free muds are allowed to be voted on, a true free mud free for all, in fact if the free ones on the top 10 list wanted to be exempt great. Let the small homegrown true Free non company ran muds just have a free for all. This way its gives them a chance to be seen for a while. I also think it will boost MAJOR traffic to this site. and For those on the top 10 I would personally write a discussion forum about them and putting up their info, and keep that on the top so that they aren't completely lost during 15 days of high traffic.

If anyone likes this idea, or has suggestions, critism or heck anything Id love to hear it......

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p.s. I have nothing to gain from this, I'm not even open yet :-P but as noted I will one vote myself to the top MWAHHAHAHA beware evil doers.
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Old 08-19-2004, 11:38 PM   #2
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That would be great, but only if the pay-to-plays (which I suppose could include the "pay-to-play-optionals" and any other for-profit methodology) get their turn for the next 15 days.

The pay-to-plays have the money to pay for advertising, which they do. If you tell them that their listing on the top mud list is not welcome, you are alienating not only their company, but the vast majority of text gamers - since it's those pay-to-plays (and pay-optional and other profitable entities) that have the highest playerbases.

Iron Realms, Simutronics, et al - can boast over ten THOUSAND paying accounts combined. Take a look down the list of the top mud list - go all the way down to the last page. Count the "average players online" for each "totally and utterly free no matter what" game. Triple that number to account for players who aren't around during "average" times of day.

You won't see 10,000.

You wanna **** off 10,000 people who pay to play their games and are proud to see their games on the top mud list, I'll just stand back and stay in my corner while the bloodbath ensues.

Or

You can give them their turn and play fair.
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Old 08-19-2004, 11:48 PM   #3
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grrrrrrr, Jaz dont make me smack you ... LOL I never said they couldn't have their turn. But theres not that many p2p to have a free for all, plus they are already on the top 10 all the time, and like I said I would personally see to it, that they remained on the webpage somehow. I'm not doing it to alienate them, or to belittle their meaning. If it wasn't for Achaea muds woudln't be what they are, as it was put by someone earlier, Achaea brings us all to the light of the world, and we all owe Iron Realms and other major mud companies ALOT, I'll be the first to thank them.

But what this does, is allow those who are always in the spotlight to step back for a second. In the forest no matter how the tiny sappling struggles or fights it will never grow under the shadow of a mighty oak.

True they earned their spot, BUT, they know its their spot, will be their spot soon again, and they will retain that spot. I'm not doing this to push them out of the way at all, but this way 20 other muds can stand on the front page, those who are free and can't afford banners and pretty ads. And think of the Pr they could use by saying, hey we did this for all muds to have a fair chance .

But Jaz you are right, they do deserve more than a discussion post, anything you can think of that might help?

SERIOUSLY if you took the time to read this, reply, even if its just a yay or no. come on.
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Old 08-20-2004, 12:44 AM   #4
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How about for one voting period all muds with names that begin with vowels not be allowed to accept votes? It'd have a pretty similar effect. Or all muds with only one word in their titles? I'm sure there are plenty of ways we could think of to reduce traffic to TopMudSites.
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Old 08-20-2004, 12:47 AM   #5
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I really don't think it would make much of a difference.

I count, what, 5, maybe 6 commercial MUDs in the top 20?

So that means 5-6 MUDs on the next page would move up a half a dozen rankings for 15 days. Likely not worth all the trouble and reduced traffic that would result from implementing such a suggestion.
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Old 08-20-2004, 12:50 AM   #6
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Quote:
Originally Posted by (Enola_Phoenix @ Aug. 20 2004,09:48)
True they earned their spot, BUT, they know its their spot, will be their spot soon again, and they will retain that spot. I'm not doing this to push them out of the way at all, but this way 20 other muds can stand on the front page, those who are free and can't afford banners and pretty ads. And think of the Pr they could use by saying, hey we did this for all muds to have a fair chance .
I don't see any reason why a pay to play, or pay for perks mud(which are free to play) would be moved to do this. The two top to three rankings muds get thousands of hits a month from the advertising, which I know from posts made by The Logos has contributed a great deal to their playerbase, and profitability. Given muds started as a commercial venture, I would say that they don't have any sort of obligation to the free to play world.

In short, they give a lot to TMS and they get a lot back too. TMS is a forum for all muds, and not just free to pay ones. If you're so passionate about the issue, why not start a free mud specific traffic linking site?

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Old 08-20-2004, 10:44 AM   #7
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I think this was taken completely out of context to be turned into an argument. No, this is not an attempt to shun or diter pay to play for the top 10. It's only a period of a time for those who don't have 1000 players because they have a paid staff to develop their site and mud. This is them stepping aside for a period to allow the smaller muds to compete, do I think it would deter hits to the site on the contrary, during those 15 days those small muds and all of their members will vote and visit like crazy, because they have a chance of being number 1 and seen. I'm not saying completely leave out those which are there now, something should be done so they still recieve hits and what not, consider a kind of special olympics for the handicapped muds (those without highly trained paid staffs).

Now when I said I'd love to hear anything, I mean't anything constructive, maybe a similar suggestion or tweaking of the idea, also why don't I build a free-only mud list
1) Full time legal assistant, Full time student, weekend Bartender.
2) Why reinvent the wheel, we already have a popular site here.
3) Cause I just don't have the time with working on my own mud.

Like I said I personally have nothing to gain from this, this is just so that smaller muds shine for a day, and get noticed. There are hunders of muds listed, only 20 are seen everyday.
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Old 08-20-2004, 11:12 AM   #8
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As an admin on a free (*) MUD, I still don't see a reason to do this. If someone wants to check out smaller games, they can click over to the #21-100 MUD right inthe sidebar, or browse any of the other listing options.

It's only a period of a time for those who don't have 1000 players because they have a paid staff to develop their site and mud.

We're not that big, we don't pay anyone, and we're #3. We like the kind of visiblity this gives us, and I don't see why the votes our players are giving should be subverted.

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Old 08-20-2004, 11:44 AM   #9
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Well yeah Valg I see your point, ok maybe it was a stupid idea . But hey couldn't hurt to see what everyone thought, except for Jazuela *pokes you and giggles, winks* j/k.

Thanks all for participating, this is now a dead thread :-D
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Old 08-20-2004, 08:04 PM   #10
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As a player on a homegrown, free mud (can you guess which one?) that regularly features in the top 20, I heartily agree with this idea. In fact, I would also agree with the response on the other board - make it one vote per person per voting session. Maybe link votes to registered members of TMS?
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Old 08-20-2004, 08:07 PM   #11
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Oh yes, I almost forgot. In return for their players not voting for one round, the muds concerned would pay nothing for their banner advertising on TMS for the entire voting session.
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