04-07-2006, 05:36 PM | #1 |
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Since the thread about non-donation Muds was closed down for reasons not quite clear to some of us, I am opening a new one on the same topic.
Not all of the ones on the list below are in the top ten, but most of them have been up for years, they are stable and balanced, they are just as good as the commercial ones, and they offer a definite alternative for players, who don't think that real life money should have any impact on the gameplay. The really free Muds need all the exposure they can get, since they don't have the funds to pay for banners and advertisements. The best of them are run by skilled and dedicated people, who donate their own time freely, with no other reward than the joy of creation. The general spirit among truly FREE muds is to share, and the development of muds is largely due to skilled coders generously sharing their code with the community. So here is the list again, as it was going, when the thread was closed. Feel free to add more to the list. And please stay on topic, this thread should stay open. The object of this list is to put the spotlight of the high quality FREE muds that exist. Medieval Times Carrion Fields Shattered Kingdoms Armageddon Sloth mud Abandoned Realms Discworld 4 Dimensions Realms of Despair Harshlands Shadows of Isildur Aabahran (Post edited April 14th 2006, to stop the constant derailment of the_logos and followers) |
04-07-2006, 05:46 PM | #2 |
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Moved here, to Advertising for Players.
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04-07-2006, 05:51 PM | #3 |
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Just writing another post, hoping that the moved thread will show up properly on Recent Discussions.
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04-07-2006, 05:56 PM | #4 |
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I don't quite understand why it was necessary to move this thread. The other one was posted on the Tavern, and the topic of common interest.
It's not equal to posting an advertisement for a single mud. |
04-07-2006, 05:59 PM | #5 |
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The other thread was someone asking a question about which MUDs don't sell things - information gathering. This one is a thread promoting MUDs that don't sell things - advertising.
Just a point: At least one of the organizations running a MUD on your list sells things to players to pay for hardware. --matt |
04-07-2006, 06:03 PM | #6 |
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The only difference I see is you mentioned more than one mud, but you are still basically advertisting for them. There are probably hundreds of muds that aren't pay for perks, yet you only mentioned a mere fraction of them.
I don't have a clue why the original thread was closed down as I stopped reading it days ago as I tend to do once topics reach more than 2 pages worth of posts. |
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Curiously, "It's the weeeeekend! Triple exp at wotmud.org" was not moved, but this more general post was. I'd direct you to the "Matt as a Moderator" thread, but it was locked.
As for our inclusion on the list: We don't sell anything that impacts gameplay in the slightest, though we to sell non-game stuff like T-shirts and whatnot to help pay for the costs of operation, if anyone cares. We don't pay salaries or otherwise "keep" that money, however-- it all goes back into the game. |
04-07-2006, 07:18 PM | #8 |
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I guess Matt didn't learn from the closed thread on him (probably not a great thing to have the moderator in question close a thread about themselves).
You really should be more cautious Matt, and thank you Anitra for opening up this subject of conversation again. |
04-07-2006, 07:47 PM | #9 |
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Which doesn't make them anything but free since it's not only voluntary but has no impact on the game itself. It's the same as if they set up a lemonaide stand in their driveway and sold lemonaide to pay for their hardware costs.
Don't derail this thread too like the last one with poor arguments. Take care, Jason |
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I'm pretty sure Xyllomer doesn't sell any in-game content, though you can correct me if I'm wrong, I'm not an all that avid player. |
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That's the statement that Matt was reacting to, I'm fairly certain. Carrion Fields gathers donations, hence doesn't pay out their own pocket. Nothing insulting about that, so I think you can put the hatchets down.
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04-08-2006, 07:32 AM | #12 |
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There's another mud which belongs on that list of fantastic free muds, my old stomping ground, . In fact, there are 100s of great totally free muds where you can't buy your way into perks.
It's difficult to say which is "better" as that's not exactly an objective question. pay4perk muds do have the advantage of being able to afford professional programmers ie get things done, which is certainly an area that I think a lot of the non pay4perk muds have problems with. |
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Thats true to a point, but not fully. You would still want to have coders that are experienced in your types of games. Then there's the whole thing where many "real" programmers don't think of a mud as a "real" job.
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If you are a fan of complex, kickass group PvP combat, there is a great 100% Free MUD called Everwar. It's a fun, intense MUD - and it has recently opened its second version.
Check it out. My pick for the MUD to beat for great group PvP. Other good 100% Free PvP combat MUDs; Godwars II [very original, very fun solo PvP] Clandestine [very balanced, fun, medium-to-large playerbase, unique, and intense for both solo and group PvP] --- and if you enjoy very complex worlds with small/medium sized playerbases, I suggest the following lesser known 100% Free MUDs; Awakened Worlds [Shadowrun MUD, small-to-medium playerbase, very complex world/gameplay/character customization] 4 Dimensions MUD [A very unique/complex game, with a good staff] |
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Wouldn't it be a lot easier to create a list of MUDs that are pay-for-perks, considering there are so fewer of those than totally free ones?
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04-08-2006, 01:49 PM | #17 |
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Gosh, I'm sorry if a factual correction to a factual assertion by the thread poster is considered "off topic" by you. I'm not sure where you derive an 'argument' from there. It's simply a minor correction.
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An irrelevant, hence off-topic, correction since how they get their money to pay for hardware is the same as the other MUDs on that list, ie not from charging in any way for perks in-game.
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04-08-2006, 02:22 PM | #20 |
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They do pay out of pocket. Selling t-shirts or mugs is the same as selling cookies door-to-door. It's not related to charging for perks in the game. The money goes to the people running the website who are the same people running the game but it's not related to the game itself. The aforementioned t-shirts or mugs could bear the logo of the game on them but that still doesn't make them perks since no matter how many t-shirts you buy, you have no advantage over a player who doesn't have one. And since sales of t-shirts and mugs are probably not high enough to maintain the cost of running the game (after all, how many t-shirts and mugs does one really need or want for that matter?), the owners of the game in question may very well pay hardware expenses out of their pocket with the occassional alleviation of some of the cost from the sale of something off their website.
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