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Old 02-17-2004, 02:17 PM   #1
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Well, there sure has been a lot of hub-bub over the DIKU license, what with everybody going commercial (generalization).

Anyhow, I was looking over the license again and saw this:
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If you wish to setup a version of DikuMud on any computer system, you
  must send us a message , by snail-mail or e-mail, and inform us where
  and when you are running the game. (remember to include
  your address, name etc.)
I admit, I've run more than a couple MUDs, and never did this.  So, d amn nearly everyone's in violation in my estimation.  I don't know if Staerfeldt has commented on this.  I can't imagine he'd want the hundreds of e-mails, but then again, who knows?

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Old 02-17-2004, 03:47 PM   #2
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We're talking about a license that's over a dozen years old, do you actually believe that the e-mail address they supplied is still active? Or better yet, do you seriously think they -want- everyone to email them? I mean, sure, I'd put it on my license if I ever released my code, but after 14 years and thousands of muds running DIKU-based codebases, I'd wish people would just stop
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Old 02-17-2004, 03:47 PM   #3
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I admit, I've run more than a couple MUDs, and never did this.  So, d amn nearly everyone's in violation in my estimation.  
So....because you neglected to send a notice, everyone else did too?

Not trying to flame or anything, just pointing out a serious hole in your logic. You may actually be right, but there are no facts to support that conclusion...yet.
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Old 02-17-2004, 10:06 PM   #4
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Oh that's ridiculous. Start a poll if you must. But I believe that most DIKU muds started within the past 5 years haven't sent an e-mail or even tried
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Old 02-18-2004, 04:22 AM   #5
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Your beliefs are irrelevant and largely unfounded. Your dishonesty does not extend to everyone else.

And, case in point, the last DIKU-derived mud I worked on did send the e-mails. One of the team even came along to say hello, as I recall.
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Old 02-19-2004, 03:37 PM   #6
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You guys are great! Long live the trolls of TMS. Maybe I was too subtle. I thought I was being humble admitting I'd violated it so many times.

And Kastagaar, I am furious that you would dare say my beliefs are irrelavent. I never said my 'dishonesty' extended anywhere. Remember 'in my estimation'? I was hoping we could have a constructive discussion regarding the license, perhaps. But what the h ell is my problem?

I never made any conclusion, so of course I have no facts to support the alleged conclusion.

Unlike Matt, I'm serious in that I'm done with these boards.

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Old 02-19-2004, 04:41 PM   #7
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You guys are great!  Long live the trolls of TMS.  Maybe I was too subtle.
No, your trolling was not really that subtle.  While you may have been wanting a constructive discussion on the DIKU license, they have all been done many times before and almost without fail it turns into flamewar of some type.  If there was some new information you had brought to the table then there was a slight chance (very slight), but broadly "estimating" everyone is breaking the DIKU license is nothing but trolling for flames.
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Old 02-20-2004, 04:08 AM   #8
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And Kastagaar, I am furious that you would dare say my beliefs are irrelavent.
I didn't. I said they were irrelevent*. Ha. I also said it to John, not you. Oh, for threading.

Anyway, the argument that "I am breaking the licence, therefore everyone must be breaking the licence" is clearly illogical (Hasty Generalization Fallacy), and already disproven by myself on this thread.

*b'boom-chuck.
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Old 02-26-2004, 12:26 PM   #9
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You guys crack me up. I can honestly say when I'm feeling down or sad, this forum makes me laugh.
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Old 02-26-2004, 03:50 PM   #10
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For what it's worth, I also did send them an email (and got a visit), but that was 7 years ago. To blanketly state that no one does it is not really appropriate, but yes, I am sure there are plenty of people who have not sent the email...
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Old 03-12-2004, 03:22 PM   #11
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Late response here, but I too sent all 5 of them notice at some point. I admit it wasn't the day we opened, but it was somewhere down the road. I got back responses from two team members and one of them even dropped by to say hi and wish us luck. I thought that was pretty cool given that they still cared enough to do so after 10+ years
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Old 07-27-2007, 06:38 AM   #12
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Re: DIKU License Revisited

I agree with you xanes. Pure trolling. Some unhappy people just don't have anything better to do.
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Old 07-27-2007, 07:34 AM   #13
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Re: DIKU License Revisited

Just in case anyone missed it, there's a wiki page
reviewing the basics of mud licensing:

MUDs and Licenses - WikiMU* - a Wikia wiki

-Crat

PS Gicker, why did you revive a 3 year old thread?
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Old 07-27-2007, 07:41 AM   #14
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Re: DIKU License Revisited

Eh I might as well make a post now that this topic has been revived....after 3 years hehe. But yea to the point, I tried emailing the creators of Diku when I first opened my MUD. It didn't work out very well, so I was quite confused for a while. After looking at the other multiple Diku MUDs online that weren't being yelled at for violating any licenses, I figured my MUD was ok without sending in an email. It would be nice to get the original creators to rewrite everything.
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Old 07-27-2007, 08:16 AM   #15
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Re: DIKU License Revisited

I didn't notice the dates on the post. Sorry.
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